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A Bit of Better Balancing
holyspam:
One big issue exists with using scores per X for balancer ratings.
A game with 32 players will naturally have higher scores than a 12 player game. The releationship is not linear, which makes it harder to weight.
Then there are 10minute games and 30 minute games.
There are also maps that favour kills-scores like bloodbath/edge and others.
Which means some players will have lower ratings due to 12 player games or "slow" maps.
Other players will have extreme scores due to 24 player games on "action" maps.
So when the time comes for the balancer to run, if you have 2 groups of players with equal skill that have 2 types of ratings, they might be paired together because they are "balanced"
Which is why ELO ranking exists, you climb/drop ELO ranking depending on the skill of your opponents.
Which means you should gather data based on weighted subscores(kills-deaths-caps-returns-covers) to create some basic ELO ranking for the current playerbase and then convert everything to pure ELO gain/loss
Piglet:
I prefer a simple approach without the massive overhead of ELO ratings.
ELO works for 1v1. It fails to work when the lowest possible skill player accidentally shoots assault rifle and hits the best player in the world who happens to be on 1hp after battling the entire emeny team; 10 times in the same match.
JP:
Wacky thought; given that quite a few players play multiple games in a row, wouldn't it be possible to at least make sure the teams are sort of even at the start of next game, based on the scores of the previous one?
So for instance below, put Kuha and Soma in different teams the next round?
This doesn't solve people leaving/joining and the different types of maps/players, but it's a start.
Not sure if this has already been discussed before, apologies if so.
Soma:
I think that's impossible or hard to let equalizer know all players levels so it can put best 2 players in the match in different teams and most of good players want to finish all matches 5-0 in 3 or 5 minutes, for me i don't do my best when i play against weak team moreover i don't capture, i give them chances to let matches take more time, game is old i think it's hard to solve this problem.
Piglet:
Here's a snapshot of the highest cappers. I suspect not many are missing from there:
--- Code: ---+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| Captures | Grabs | Covers | Seals | FlagKills | TeamKills | Points | TimePlayedMinutes | Frags | Suicides | EQName |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| 294 | 1091 | 248 | 29 | 786 | 31 | 304162 | 85618 | 5392 | 833 | MrHuhuhu (UK) |
| 261 | 578 | 207 | 24 | 706 | 10 | 244355 | 50168 | 6955 | 334 | moi (FR) |
| 226 | 494 | 34 | 16 | 234 | 11 | 11993.3 | 3502 | 1143 | 262 | Mjolnir (US) |
| 214 | 550 | 234 | 35 | 661 | 22 | 323014 | 83929 | 5119 | 583 | {V][M}Quadro (BE) |
| 184 | 741 | 207 | 32 | 388 | 21 | 91105.8 | 51683 | 4107 | 390 | HELL_FIRE_BACK (FR) |
| 151 | 386 | 103 | 27 | 461 | 8 | 377963 | 131677 | 2621 | 201 | Antonius (AT) |
| 150 | 459 | 262 | 68 | 1166 | 31 | 557885 | 204407 | 6559 | 525 | Rounin_Napoli (IT) |
| 144 | 768 | 128 | 17 | 389 | 29 | 196587 | 83511 | 3047 | 463 | KillaKilla (DE) |
| 137 | 600 | 282 | 54 | 988 | 24 | 809857 | 323911 | 6506 | 564 | Kyhado (US) |
| 134 | 592 | 93 | 15 | 302 | 18 | 239510 | 84987 | 2466 | 340 | Little_Johnny (IN) |
| 110 | 500 | 104 | 12 | 312 | 11 | 276417 | 171044 | 2402 | 323 | DM4E/DRG (RU) |
| 106 | 458 | 70 | 15 | 261 | 7 | 172427 | 34348 | 2356 | 386 | notthc (HU) |
| 103 | 261 | 25 | 7 | 109 | 1 | 54636 | 29462 | 815 | 173 | Mike (SE) |
| 101 | 963 | 162 | 29 | 775 | 26 | 273474 | 131565 | 5435 | 584 | Mr.Magoo (CL) |
| 98 | 631 | 65 | 11 | 166 | 21 | 128924 | 132161 | 1399 | 386 | cronix (HR) |
| 94 | 417 | 105 | 34 | 598 | 23 | 305515 | 120111 | 3437 | 437 | David (AT) |
| 91 | 240 | 20 | 3 | 91 | 5 | 5466 | 1397 | 468 | 115 | Sup (BR) |
| 91 | 449 | 205 | 52 | 654 | 17 | 253291 | 92861 | 4429 | 522 | NONAME_StreetRat |
| 82 | 276 | 34 | 5 | 132 | 2 | 11070.3 | 1992 | 708 | 166 | JP (NL) |
| 81 | 390 | 92 | 9 | 283 | 9 | 185281 | 99399 | 2189 | 289 | corsica_nazione (FR) |
| 79 | 476 | 42 | 4 | 117 | 6 | 23520 | 6495 | 1048 | 242 | duke (PL) |
| 74 | 359 | 65 | 11 | 212 | 11 | 76427.6 | 34252 | 1855 | 231 | ELECTRO (UK) |
| 72 | 281 | 59 | 7 | 203 | 5 | 84976.9 | 13924 | 1806 | 155 | Wirus.Win9x.DòóM (PL) |
| 71 | 207 | 44 | 9 | 185 | 7 | 188298 | 58428 | 1024 | 140 | BaZzY (NL) |
| 69 | 481 | 76 | 15 | 250 | 20 | 198111 | 85899 | 1719 | 215 | -=BL@=- (PT) |
| 64 | 232 | 50 | 4 | 149 | 2 | 64965.8 | 19601 | 1250 | 228 | Paul (RU) |
| 63 | 458 | 51 | 5 | 138 | 9 | 64692.4 | 23610 | 1216 | 238 | ParadoX (BG) |
| 63 | 395 | 150 | 28 | 377 | 20 | 107309 | 54466 | 3907 | 288 | gerbil (RO) |
| 61 | 364 | 96 | 10 | 194 | 4 | 214327 | 59814 | 2917 | 137 | Kuha (FI) |
| 58 | 220 | 46 | 3 | 107 | 3 | 73142 | 36982 | 1074 | 147 | MILEYCYRUS{.}{.} (SE) |
| 56 | 172 | 38 | 3 | 79 | 0 | 28184 | 5621 | 827 | 35 | stefanie (FR) |
| 55 | 272 | 51 | 16 | 286 | 10 | 202632 | 272325 | 1879 | 536 | SaintHappening (US) |
| 54 | 289 | 57 | 5 | 132 | 11 | 137068 | 71450 | 1345 | 207 | BarnBurner (IL) |
| 52 | 167 | 33 | 6 | 129 | 3 | 9548.09 | 3943 | 826 | 150 | ScHiSmFeAr (US) |
| 51 | 124 | 9 | 1 | 54 | 2 | 1939.64 | 471 | 328 | 88 | zath (FR) |
| 51 | 265 | 163 | 34 | 332 | 21 | 325320 | 165732 | 3642 | 366 | Flenser (US) |
| 50 | 175 | 26 | 7 | 103 | 1 | 58289.8 | 17840 | 620 | 54 | HYDRO (IR) |
| 50 | 360 | 50 | 8 | 279 | 3 | 16920 | 5964 | 1149 | 147 | El_Gato (AR) |
| 49 | 328 | 69 | 13 | 253 | 17 | 77012 | 53450 | 1326 | 320 | WïÜè (RO) |
| 47 | 87 | 31 | 2 | 70 | 5 | 24064.5 | 8528 | 817 | 125 | tigger (UK) |
| 47 | 211 | 71 | 9 | 220 | 10 | 168998 | 97010 | 1644 | 252 | imonfire (UK) |
| 46 | 111 | 24 | 7 | 82 | 3 | 79829.5 | 64386 | 486 | 85 | James.T.Kirk (AT) |
| 44 | 150 | 42 | 11 | 157 | 23 | 98712 | 129141 | 1509 | 421 | wito (PL) |
| 44 | 200 | 14 | 5 | 32 | 3 | 3647 | 1140 | 391 | 93 | ThunderCrash (RS) |
| 43 | 169 | 114 | 28 | 385 | 13 | 116764 | 43910 | 3480 | 386 | memo (ES) |
| 42 | 259 | 32 | 12 | 138 | 3 | 129429 | 49484 | 1239 | 96 | RonnieColeman (PT) |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
--- End code ---
Then again, some people have more fragging than capping...and some of the cappers are good at fragging:
--- Code: ---+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| Captures | Grabs | Covers | Seals | FlagKills | TeamKills | Points | TimePlayedMinutes | Frags | Suicides | EQName |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| 261 | 578 | 207 | 24 | 706 | 10 | 244355 | 50168 | 6955 | 334 | moi (FR) |
| 150 | 459 | 262 | 68 | 1166 | 31 | 557885 | 204407 | 6559 | 525 | Rounin_Napoli (IT) |
| 137 | 600 | 282 | 54 | 988 | 24 | 809857 | 323911 | 6506 | 564 | Kyhado (US) |
| 101 | 963 | 162 | 29 | 775 | 26 | 273474 | 131565 | 5435 | 584 | Mr.Magoo (CL) |
| 294 | 1091 | 248 | 29 | 786 | 31 | 304162 | 85618 | 5392 | 833 | MrHuhuhu (UK) |
| 214 | 550 | 234 | 35 | 661 | 22 | 323014 | 83929 | 5119 | 583 | {V][M}Quadro (BE) |
| 19 | 195 | 125 | 33 | 560 | 18 | 428227 | 303433 | 5048 | 504 | ps (RO) |
| 91 | 449 | 205 | 52 | 654 | 17 | 253291 | 92861 | 4429 | 522 | NONAME_StreetRat |
| 184 | 741 | 207 | 32 | 388 | 21 | 91105.8 | 51683 | 4107 | 390 | HELL_FIRE_BACK (FR) |
| 63 | 395 | 150 | 28 | 377 | 20 | 107309 | 54466 | 3907 | 288 | gerbil (RO) |
| 68 | 474 | 126 | 25 | 358 | 20 | 258127 | 179126 | 3794 | 866 | -=BL@=- (PT) |
| 51 | 265 | 163 | 34 | 332 | 21 | 325321 | 165734 | 3643 | 366 | Flenser (US) |
| 43 | 169 | 114 | 28 | 385 | 13 | 116764 | 43910 | 3480 | 386 | memo (ES) |
| 94 | 417 | 105 | 34 | 598 | 23 | 305515 | 120111 | 3437 | 437 | David (AT) |
| 20 | 307 | 139 | 20 | 254 | 25 | 237639 | 102666 | 3344 | 481 | NONAME_StreetRat |
| 10 | 13 | 98 | 23 | 99 | 6 | 140322 | 73961 | 3313 | 475 | Frazzle (UK) |
| 144 | 768 | 128 | 17 | 389 | 29 | 196587 | 83511 | 3047 | 463 | KillaKilla (DE) |
| 15 | 44 | 118 | 25 | 268 | 14 | 30856 | 15253 | 2931 | 378 | DRAUGR (RU) |
| 61 | 364 | 96 | 10 | 194 | 4 | 214327 | 59814 | 2917 | 137 | Kuha (FI) |
| 23 | 48 | 77 | 15 | 190 | 16 | 165865 | 77555 | 2758 | 210 | Lòónät´iç (AR) |
| 21 | 91 | 72 | 7 | 249 | 6 | 147998 | 133476 | 2709 | 256 | islander (RU) |
| 151 | 386 | 103 | 27 | 461 | 8 | 377963 | 131677 | 2621 | 201 | Antonius (AT) |
| 23 | 229 | 114 | 15 | 178 | 25 | 208659 | 87651 | 2621 | 333 | Russ (UK) |
| 134 | 592 | 93 | 15 | 302 | 18 | 239510 | 84987 | 2466 | 340 | Little_Johnny (IN) |
| 110 | 500 | 104 | 12 | 312 | 11 | 276417 | 171044 | 2402 | 323 | DM4E/DRG (RU) |
| 106 | 458 | 70 | 15 | 261 | 7 | 172427 | 34348 | 2356 | 386 | notthc (HU) |
| 40 | 192 | 76 | 32 | 396 | 4 | 134933 | 29655 | 2340 | 314 | Snoop (UA) |
| 13 | 141 | 57 | 1 | 135 | 5 | 86868 | 40642 | 2330 | 137 | lol (NL) |
| 14 | 77 | 61 | 16 | 158 | 6 | 273704 | 182489 | 2251 | 221 | noob_Racer (SV) |
| 28 | 140 | 64 | 11 | 267 | 5 | 310653 | 172457 | 2208 | 245 | Steve (UK) |
| 81 | 390 | 92 | 9 | 283 | 9 | 185281 | 99399 | 2189 | 289 | corsica_nazione (FR) |
| 18 | 100 | 90 | 8 | 199 | 14 | 69127 | 34122 | 1955 | 354 | geum (US) |
| 10 | 115 | 57 | 10 | 165 | 7 | 143607 | 147821 | 1912 | 224 | Ripleye (FR) |
| 55 | 272 | 51 | 16 | 286 | 10 | 202632 | 272325 | 1879 | 536 | SaintHappening (US) |
| 74 | 359 | 65 | 11 | 212 | 11 | 76427.6 | 34252 | 1855 | 231 | ELECTRO (UK) |
| 17 | 169 | 80 | 7 | 144 | 3 | 37111 | 9921 | 1828 | 99 | NanoC (FR) |
| 72 | 281 | 59 | 7 | 203 | 5 | 84976.9 | 13924 | 1806 | 155 | Wirus.Win9x.DòóM (PL) |
| 9 | 49 | 43 | 8 | 199 | 8 | 103865 | 49282 | 1728 | 300 | Ragnar (BE) |
| 47 | 211 | 71 | 9 | 220 | 10 | 168998 | 97010 | 1644 | 252 | imonfire (UK) |
| 29 | 231 | 62 | 10 | 157 | 6 | 133069 | 33239 | 1524 | 225 | Herbal_Mint (CH) |
| 7 | 109 | 65 | 7 | 137 | 16 | 7523.32 | 2848 | 1510 | 375 | ICH (DE) |
| 44 | 150 | 42 | 11 | 157 | 23 | 98712 | 129141 | 1509 | 421 | wito (PL) |
| 7 | 64 | 57 | 8 | 149 | 5 | 146513 | 159511 | 1408 | 208 | Bluecat77 (US) |
| 98 | 631 | 65 | 11 | 166 | 21 | 128924 | 132161 | 1399 | 386 | cronix (HR) |
| 29 | 90 | 43 | 11 | 179 | 11 | 133469 | 27691 | 1393 | 143 | Ju5tIC3[RezQ] (FR) |
| 28 | 417 | 71 | 10 | 152 | 8 | 135487 | 61713 | 1361 | 297 | SA21 (UA) |
| 35 | 138 | 22 | 6 | 155 | 10 | 38791 | 59736 | 1353 | 182 | ChocolateChip (US) |
| 54 | 289 | 57 | 5 | 132 | 11 | 137068 | 71450 | 1345 | 207 | BarnBurner (IL) |
| 49 | 328 | 69 | 13 | 253 | 17 | 77012 | 53450 | 1326 | 320 | WïÜè (RO) |
| 64 | 232 | 50 | 4 | 149 | 2 | 64965.8 | 19601 | 1250 | 228 | Paul (RU) |
| 42 | 259 | 32 | 12 | 138 | 3 | 129429 | 49484 | 1239 | 96 | RonnieColeman (PT) |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
--- End code ---
But then...who stops the flag runners?
--- Code: ---+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| Captures | Grabs | Covers | Seals | FlagKills | TeamKills | Points | TimePlayedMinutes | Frags | Suicides | EQName |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
| 150 | 459 | 262 | 68 | 1166 | 31 | 557885 | 204407 | 6559 | 525 | Rounin_Napoli (IT) |
| 137 | 600 | 282 | 54 | 988 | 24 | 809857 | 323911 | 6506 | 564 | Kyhado (US) |
| 294 | 1091 | 248 | 29 | 786 | 31 | 304162 | 85618 | 5392 | 833 | MrHuhuhu (UK) |
| 101 | 963 | 162 | 29 | 775 | 26 | 273474 | 131565 | 5435 | 584 | Mr.Magoo (CL) |
| 261 | 578 | 207 | 24 | 706 | 10 | 244355 | 50168 | 6955 | 334 | moi (FR) |
| 214 | 550 | 234 | 35 | 661 | 22 | 323014 | 83929 | 5119 | 583 | {V][M}Quadro (BE) |
| 91 | 449 | 205 | 52 | 654 | 17 | 253291 | 92861 | 4429 | 522 | NONAME_StreetRat |
| 94 | 417 | 105 | 34 | 598 | 23 | 305515 | 120111 | 3437 | 437 | David (AT) |
| 19 | 195 | 125 | 33 | 560 | 18 | 428227 | 303433 | 5048 | 504 | ps (RO) |
| 151 | 386 | 103 | 27 | 461 | 8 | 377963 | 131677 | 2621 | 201 | Antonius (AT) |
| 40 | 192 | 76 | 32 | 396 | 4 | 134933 | 29655 | 2340 | 314 | Snoop (UA) |
| 144 | 768 | 128 | 17 | 389 | 29 | 196587 | 83511 | 3047 | 463 | KillaKilla (DE) |
| 184 | 741 | 207 | 32 | 388 | 21 | 91105.8 | 51683 | 4107 | 390 | HELL_FIRE_BACK (FR) |
| 43 | 169 | 114 | 28 | 385 | 13 | 116764 | 43910 | 3480 | 386 | memo (ES) |
| 63 | 395 | 150 | 28 | 377 | 20 | 107309 | 54466 | 3907 | 288 | gerbil (RO) |
| 68 | 474 | 126 | 25 | 358 | 20 | 258127 | 179126 | 3794 | 866 | -=BL@=- (PT) |
| 51 | 265 | 163 | 34 | 332 | 21 | 325321 | 165734 | 3643 | 366 | Flenser (US) |
| 110 | 500 | 104 | 12 | 312 | 11 | 276417 | 171044 | 2402 | 323 | DM4E/DRG (RU) |
| 134 | 592 | 93 | 15 | 302 | 18 | 239510 | 84987 | 2466 | 340 | Little_Johnny (IN) |
| 55 | 272 | 51 | 16 | 286 | 10 | 202632 | 272325 | 1879 | 536 | SaintHappening (US) |
| 81 | 390 | 92 | 9 | 283 | 9 | 185281 | 99399 | 2189 | 289 | corsica_nazione (FR) |
| 50 | 360 | 50 | 8 | 279 | 3 | 16920 | 5964 | 1149 | 147 | El_Gato (AR) |
| 15 | 44 | 118 | 25 | 268 | 14 | 30856 | 15253 | 2931 | 378 | DRAUGR (RU) |
| 28 | 140 | 64 | 11 | 267 | 5 | 310653 | 172457 | 2208 | 245 | Steve (UK) |
| 106 | 458 | 70 | 15 | 261 | 7 | 172427 | 34348 | 2356 | 386 | notthc (HU) |
| 20 | 307 | 139 | 20 | 254 | 25 | 237639 | 102666 | 3344 | 481 | NONAME_StreetRat |
| 49 | 328 | 69 | 13 | 253 | 17 | 77012 | 53450 | 1326 | 320 | WïÜè (RO) |
| 21 | 91 | 72 | 7 | 249 | 6 | 147998 | 133476 | 2709 | 256 | islander (RU) |
| 226 | 494 | 34 | 16 | 234 | 11 | 11993.3 | 3502 | 1143 | 262 | Mjolnir (US) |
| 47 | 211 | 71 | 9 | 220 | 10 | 168998 | 97010 | 1644 | 252 | imonfire (UK) |
| 74 | 359 | 65 | 11 | 212 | 11 | 76427.6 | 34252 | 1855 | 231 | ELECTRO (UK) |
| 72 | 281 | 59 | 7 | 203 | 5 | 84976.9 | 13924 | 1806 | 155 | Wirus.Win9x.DòóM (PL) |
| 18 | 100 | 90 | 8 | 199 | 14 | 69127 | 34122 | 1955 | 354 | geum (US) |
| 9 | 49 | 43 | 8 | 199 | 8 | 103865 | 49282 | 1728 | 300 | Ragnar (BE) |
| 61 | 364 | 96 | 10 | 194 | 4 | 214327 | 59814 | 2917 | 137 | Kuha (FI) |
| 23 | 48 | 77 | 15 | 190 | 16 | 165865 | 77555 | 2758 | 210 | Lòónät´iç (AR) |
| 7 | 21 | 30 | 14 | 188 | 8 | 35678 | 43717 | 953 | 159 | q(ô.ô)p (UK) |
| 71 | 207 | 44 | 9 | 185 | 7 | 188298 | 58428 | 1024 | 140 | BaZzY (NL) |
| 29 | 90 | 43 | 11 | 179 | 11 | 133469 | 27691 | 1393 | 143 | Ju5tIC3[RezQ] (FR) |
| 23 | 229 | 114 | 15 | 178 | 25 | 208659 | 87651 | 2621 | 333 | Russ (UK) |
| 98 | 631 | 65 | 11 | 166 | 21 | 128924 | 132161 | 1399 | 386 | cronix (HR) |
| 10 | 115 | 57 | 10 | 165 | 7 | 143607 | 147821 | 1912 | 224 | Ripleye (FR) |
| 14 | 77 | 61 | 16 | 158 | 6 | 273704 | 182489 | 2251 | 221 | noob_Racer (SV) |
| 44 | 150 | 42 | 11 | 157 | 23 | 98712 | 129141 | 1509 | 421 | wito (PL) |
| 29 | 231 | 62 | 10 | 157 | 6 | 133069 | 33239 | 1524 | 225 | Herbal_Mint (CH) |
| 35 | 138 | 22 | 6 | 155 | 10 | 38791 | 59736 | 1353 | 182 | ChocolateChip (US) |
| 14 | 63 | 7 | 2 | 153 | 1 | 1645 | 657 | 504 | 74 | Sabrah (FR) |
| 29 | 112 | 49 | 1 | 152 | 1 | 93847.2 | 48951 | 1117 | 108 | hahahahate (IT) |
| 28 | 417 | 71 | 10 | 152 | 8 | 135487 | 61713 | 1361 | 297 | SA21 (UA) |
| 7 | 64 | 57 | 8 | 149 | 5 | 146513 | 159511 | 1408 | 208 | Bluecat77 (US) |
| 64 | 232 | 50 | 4 | 149 | 2 | 64965.8 | 19601 | 1250 | 228 | Paul (RU) |
| 17 | 169 | 80 | 7 | 144 | 3 | 37111 | 9921 | 1828 | 99 | NanoC (FR) |
| 42 | 259 | 32 | 12 | 138 | 3 | 129429 | 49484 | 1239 | 96 | RonnieColeman (PT) |
| 63 | 458 | 51 | 5 | 138 | 9 | 64692.4 | 23610 | 1216 | 238 | ParadoX (BG) |
+----------+-------+--------+-------+-----------+-----------+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+---------------------------+
--- End code ---
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