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Routing issues
zeus:
It does not really matter which OS you use to run it from - the routing is identical. Run from a Debian in München
--- Code: ---traceroute to 80.4.151.145 (80.4.151.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
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3 mcn-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.120.79) 0.856 ms 0.823 ms 0.827 ms
4 ffm-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.124.46) 6.207 ms 6.229 ms 6.168 ms
5 prs-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.114.98) 15.671 ms prs-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.122.138) 15.667 ms prs-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.114.98) 15.749 ms
6 ldn-bb4-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.133.238) 21.712 ms 21.937 ms 21.876 ms
7 ldn-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.120.239) 21.271 ms 21.506 ms ldn-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.122.181) 21.925 ms
8 uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-20-0.aorta.net (213.46.174.117) 21.769 ms 21.770 ms upc-ic306717-ldn-b3.ip.twelve99-cust.net (213.248.84.26) 21.146 ms
9 * * *
10 * uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-5-0.aorta.net (84.116.135.42) 25.537 ms *
11 * * *
12 * sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.85.142) 78.214 ms *
13 * * *
14 sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.85.142) 69.153 ms 75.465 ms 65.761 ms
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My theory (currently) based on map change event randomly resetting the pings exactly for 1 MAP (!) is that it has to be some anti-DDOS type of firewall -> the small continuous packets are considered DDOS -> the firewall introduces PL and high ping (either on purpose or as per link - since it is just shit slow) to save the target from having to serve all the requests
Now when typing this & Googling then something from https://subspacepowered.medium.com/how-to-implement-ddos-attack-prevention-mitigation-without-jeopardizing-latency-e8bcdd70a57 sounds similar ->
--- Code: ---Traditional Security Companies Incur Latency Through Proxying
Current providers regularly rely on proxying traffic as the primary tool for DDoS mitigation. Proxying involves taking the data through a scrubbing server that forwards traffic and runs analysis before sending it back to the user.
Moving data through a proxy for scrubbing increases ping time and latency, resulting in additional lag. It’s only a good solution for web traffic that doesn’t require real-time communications.
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The theory is based only on ingame observations by me & Nyrde - when a small disconnect (read: map change) occurs, the ping & PL is fixed (or semi-fixed) exactly for the duration of the next small disconnect (read: another map change). So the theory is ... exactly what it is - a theory
Feel free to comment
EDIT: why would it detect UDP packets as DDOS - because as Pig said "Linux uses UDP to ping" -> for whatever firewall it will not be able to differentiate whether it is a ping attack with huge packets or gaming
Gil-galad:
If usefull, here is what I get from traceroute (9th of august) :
--- Code: ---traceroute 80.4.151.145 ✔ 22s
traceroute to 80.4.151.145 (80.4.151.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 _gateway (192.168.1.1) 0.657 ms 0.799 ms 0.636 ms
2 2.96.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt (77.54.96.2) 11.888 ms 12.024 ms 13.025 ms
3 24.50.174.83.rev.vodafone.pt (83.174.50.24) 14.213 ms 14.354 ms 13.042 ms
4 ae5-100-ucr1.lis.cw.net (195.10.57.9) 20.073 ms 18.755 ms 20.061 ms
5 ae21-xcr1.max.cw.net (195.2.24.233) 52.895 ms 52.299 ms 51.771 ms
6 ae25-xcr3.prp.cw.net (195.2.8.137) 46.045 ms 44.753 ms 44.746 ms
7 ae3-xcr1.bud.cw.net (195.2.28.89) 65.711 ms 50.719 ms 49.615 ms
8 uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-10-0.aorta.net (213.46.174.129) 65.746 ms 65.740 ms 65.735 ms
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10 * * *
11 * * *
12 sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.85.142) 99.229 ms 93.365 ms 94.808 ms
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14 drkn-bh1-ia1.network.virginmedia.net (213.48.17.22) 94.806 ms 105.863 ms 95.691 ms
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EDIT : Now without the vpn
EDIT 1 : I tried again today (10th of august), and here is the result :
--- Code: ---traceroute 80.4.151.145 ✔ 18s
traceroute to 80.4.151.145 (80.4.151.145), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 _gateway (192.168.1.1) 0.648 ms 0.631 ms 0.789 ms
2 * * *
3 24.50.174.83.rev.vodafone.pt (83.174.50.24) 13.700 ms 14.255 ms 14.249 ms
4 ae5-100-ucr1.lis.cw.net (195.10.57.9) 18.950 ms 19.200 ms 19.193 ms
5 ae21-xcr1.max.cw.net (195.2.24.233) 60.185 ms 53.409 ms 53.404 ms
6 ae25-xcr3.prp.cw.net (195.2.8.137) 44.894 ms 43.761 ms 44.745 ms
7 ae29-xcr1.ltw.cw.net (195.2.28.89) 51.236 ms 49.219 ms 49.446 ms
8 uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-10-0.aorta.net (213.46.174.129) 51.280 ms 50.912 ms 50.661 ms
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.85.142) 104.397 ms 102.737 ms 104.048 ms
13 sotn-metnet-3a-lag-56.network.virginmedia.net (86.28.60.202) 104.386 ms 81.139 ms 105.270 ms
14 drkn-bh1-ia1.network.virginmedia.net (213.48.17.22) 105.550 ms 103.080 ms 106.372 ms
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Miauz55555:
Played today .. had ~ 80 to 130 ping and ~6 to ~20% PL. Was like on a US server with PL. =D
Blub seems to have a stable connection, probably other routing than.
--- Code: ---tracert 80.4.151.145
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4 8 ms 5 ms 5 ms hbg-b1-link.ip.twelve99.net [213.248.92.214]
5 7 ms 6 ms 7 ms hbg-bb3-link.ip.twelve99.net [213.155.135.80]
6 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms ldn-bb1-link.ip.twelve99.net [80.91.249.10]
7 19 ms 42 ms 18 ms ldn-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net [62.115.122.189]
8 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-20-0.aorta.net [213.46.174.117]
9 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
10 89 ms * 85 ms brnt-ic-1-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.42.198]
11 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
12 75 ms 75 ms 72 ms sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.85.142]
13 74 ms 72 ms 72 ms sotn-metnet-3a-lag-56.network.virginmedia.net [86.28.60.202]
14 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms drkn-bh1-ia1.network.virginmedia.net [213.48.17.22]
15 77 ms 75 ms 72 ms miasma.rocks [80.4.151.145]
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hagis:
--- Code: ---|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - %loss | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| archer - 0 | 143 | 143 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
| 84.65.128.1 - 0 | 143 | 143 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 9 |
| 63.130.104.202 - 0 | 143 | 143 | 9 | 10 | 17 | 9 |
| ae5-100-xcr1.man.cw.net - 0 | 142 | 142 | 9 | 10 | 27 | 14 |
| ae21-xcr1.ltw.cw.net - 0 | 143 | 143 | 15 | 17 | 54 | 17 |
| uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-10-0.aorta.net - 0 | 142 | 142 | 15 | 17 | 39 | 17 |
| No response from host - 100 | 58 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 58 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 58 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
|sotn-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net - 0 | 143 | 143 | 45 | 47 | 74 | 46 |
|sotn-metnet-3a-lag-56.network.virginmedia.net - 62 | 75 | 29 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 46 |
| drkn-bh1-ia1.network.virginmedia.net - 0 | 143 | 143 | 46 | 47 | 60 | 47 |
| miasma.rocks - 0 | 143 | 143 | 46 | 47 | 67 | 47 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
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am getting packet loss and not good ping,. is unplayable really,. worse than playing on a US server (much worse)
not sure what to do - other than not play,. not everyone is seeing same issue at same time so it's strange one?
zeus:
Something to consider - UDP routing from Düsseldorf to a slightly different IP
--- Code: ---traceroute to 80.4.151.146 (80.4.151.146), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
2 et-4-0-8.edge6.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (62.67.22.193) 7.057 ms 7.031 ms ddf-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.171.184) 6.780 ms
3 adm-bb4-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.135.146) 16.285 ms 16.252 ms 16.226 ms
4 uk-lon01c-ri2-ae-22-0.aorta.net (213.46.175.97) 16.580 ms ldn-bb4-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.134.27) 16.163 ms telw-ic-5-ae19-0.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.23.0) 17.384 ms
5 ldn-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.120.239) 15.654 ms 15.452 ms *
6 sotn-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.85.138) 20.046 ms uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-20-0.aorta.net (213.46.174.117) 12.457 ms 14.782 ms
7 * * sotn-metnet-3a-lag-55.network.virginmedia.net (86.28.60.194) 16.014 ms
8 * drkn-bh1-ia1.network.virginmedia.net (213.48.17.22) 20.884 ms uk-lon03a-ri2-ae-2-0.aorta.net (84.116.135.46) 10.837 ms
9 * * unreal.miasma.rocks (80.4.151.146) 23.640 ms
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Maybe switching the IPs would fix the problems temporarily?
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