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Title: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 15, 2019, 22:15
11 players Freon + idle iCTF server + Demo information server on core 1 to the left
22 to 23 players on Warfare on core 2 to the right


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Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Nardaq_NL on April 16, 2019, 14:49
any specs on server?

true server or server being used as a vps?

And since its a windows server, your able to use "process-explorer (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer) to get a detailed look on the process?
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 16, 2019, 15:38
It's a 2 core VPS, using the most powerful CPU they have in the datacentre. I have an email somewhere with details of the cores

I'm not sure how looking in more detail at the process would help. We can't change the engine... The only thing we could do is tailor the maps to result in less processing power needed or reduce the already low tickrate

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Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: miley.cyrus on April 16, 2019, 17:08
" UT2004 and the affinity command

    UT2004 is a NON multi-threading application, and as such can perform worse on a multi-core cpu, or "skips" at times (looks like lag, but it's the cpu core changing / purging cache on threads) Here is a command line (batch file etc...) option using affinity that can be used to lock UT (or any app) onto specific cores."

https://h-townmadness.com/forum2/showthread.php?5614-UT2004-and-the-affinity-command

imagecfg ...some info howto use it.
https://robpol86.com/imagecfg.html#download

PS read the comments also.


It locks UT2004 to a single core.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 16, 2019, 19:29
Thanks, but the Warfare server is already locked to a single core and is the only process using it.

The cores we have are two from an Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2690 v2 25M Cache, 3.00 GHz (http://ark.intel.com/products/75279/)

It's not a bad CPU!
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Nardaq_NL on April 16, 2019, 21:36
Multi core are a pain for single core applications due to it will lower the ghz/core

we need this baby. Almost twice as fast (single core) 8)

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E-2186G-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-2690-v2/3346vs2057

What can nfoservers do for us?
Crowdfunding?
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 16, 2019, 22:51
They don't have anything faster virtual server cores at the datacentre.

I could ask if they've got faster dedicated box cores we can get...but I suspect that would be a lot more expensive...if they have anything...
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Nardaq_NL on April 17, 2019, 00:19
I know. We need the chip in anyway if we want to do this.
It will be a "custom job" i guess. We have no use in a newer high-count core server.

and...

"The highest performance. Guaranteed." 5y old hardware :/
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 17, 2019, 19:56
I've been in contact with them and there doesn't seem to be any option.

The game is single core and the dedicated gaming machines are just more cores with only very marginal performance increase...and we can't have just part of one anyway

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E5-2690-v2-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-2679-v4/2057vs2805
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 17, 2019, 20:09
Dedicated full servers are not cheap!

https://www.nfoservers.com/order-dedicated-server.php
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: tirofijo!! on April 18, 2019, 04:43
dammit, we are all grown up people, why cant be any of us a billonaire :(
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 18, 2019, 07:58
Now that would be useful!

When I helped admin the Titan 32 player server it was custom built by the owners of a datacentre and hosted in it. They paid for everything until they sold the business...even after they stopped playing the game
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Nardaq_NL on April 18, 2019, 12:49
I still have a custom 2U AMD  server collecting dust now. 
It was used in as UT2k4 server back in 2004 for a few years and was placed in the rack of my former clan where more servers are hosted.
It costed me €30/mo or so. Good old days.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: HimmelBerg on April 21, 2019, 02:08
You need AntiCheat. People are messing around with the game and the result is the overload of the server. Try it for several days and see if it's true. If the same happens then at least you removed one possible fault.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: THOR` on April 23, 2019, 13:24
Quote from: Piglet on April 18, 2019, 07:58
Now that would be useful!

When I helped admin the Titan 32 player server it was custom built by the owners of a datacentre and hosted in it. They paid for everything until they sold the business...even after they stopped playing the game

That old AMD Opteron 252 server was a beast.

Problem with most modern servers is all they care about is cramming as many cores as possible into as small a space as possible. You'd probably get better performance on an overclocked Intel Core i3 CPU than any of the Xeon processors currently available.

UT2K4 loves single threaded performance and high GHz cores :)
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on April 23, 2019, 13:45
Yeah. Not sure how to get hold of something like that in a datacentre with unlimited bandwidth at a nice low cost!
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: THOR` on April 23, 2019, 13:49
Indeed, that's always the hard part :D
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Nardaq_NL on April 23, 2019, 14:12
nvm.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: The_Coolest on July 31, 2019, 00:25
Have you considered building something yourself and hosting it in a datacenter?
That should also be an option, and will probably be way better than any dual-core VPS you can get.
It will also allow you to tailor the hardware for the task at hand.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on July 31, 2019, 09:26
Yes. That is something that we are slowly working through.

We have donated money in the hosting account that can only be used for the current server, so I'm not rushing anything.

One of the players has offered to buy a physical machine to use.  This is an extremely generous offer which I'm taking seriously. 

The person who set up this community isn't around any more. Before he left he passed everything over to me, and I'm trying not to rush into any major changes.  I see moving to a box owned by another player (however much trusted) as an opportunity, but also a risk.

Putting aside the capital and time costs of setting up new hardware and porting everything to a new box, the co-lo costs would be higher than the current VPS, and we'd need to do our own repairs and backup as required.

So, still working this through.
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: The_Coolest on July 31, 2019, 19:40
Yeah I get it how problematic something like this can be.
At CoreELEC we're considering setting up our own server as well, but VPS works OK for us right now.
I always wondered, how much bandwidth does the server need when both servers are full?
Title: Re: Piglet, check server, this lagfest is a joke :( move to 16 pplayers max
Post by: Piglet on July 31, 2019, 20:10
2.52 Mbps is the 95th percentile usage this month.

380 to 490 GB bandwidth per month is being used.