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1-Remove a popular map because Sup knows "a secret in it" (basically a shield jump that any player playing a 20 year old game should know how to do) and tell players to go play Freon (while ironically Nardaq forces everyone to play Assault)
2-Then arbitrarily decide that there is a right size for VCTF maps and "small maps" don't fit into that category, although they are extremely popular, such as collateral, magnet, concrete and space
Nardaq is not even a frequent player on the server, he basically plays to force assault all the time and thinks he can make decisions like these without consulting the players who actually play on the server and keep it alive
Anyway, it's just my opinion, do what you think is best, I've been playing here for over 8 years and I know that these arbitrary attitudes drive players away from the server.
I know what you're referring to Veica, but that's another discussion.
The point at the moment is, Nardaq arbitrarily, based solely on his mind and personal preferences, decided to delete extremely popular maps. This is not an attitude in favor of the server, it is an attitude in favor of what he considers "VCTF maps"
Justice edited Collateral map, he had work editing it, adding vehicles there and so on, so Nardaq decides to delete the map because it is "too small" or because "it is not a vctf map" based on nothing other than his personal preferences, that is including disrespectful to the work that justice did. And to be honest, I'm not even a big fan of this map, and I'm even sick of magnet, but they are popular maps, so they shouldn't be deleted, because it attracts people to play other maps and other game modes in the future.
Ps: Conduct a questionnaire with active players and ask them if they prefer to remove AS mode from the server or maps like concrete, magnet and collateral. 90% will respond to remove AS. So it makes sense to keep AS on the server but it doesn't make sense to keep small popular VCTF maps on the server? And when I ask about it, "go play freon?"
I mean...
Delete maps? Hmm....we have a voting system right. Most nab maps don't get voted much vs good ones. Eg: Dual tank edge..we only vote that once a few months to enjoy some silly fun. So, why delete it ? ;) I ofcourse would buy Nardy a cake as he made sup cry but other than that, I think magnet was fun map (not my fav) but deleting it ...well..you can see my youtube for memories :D
Quote from: sup on June 19, 2024, 07:37
I know what you're referring to Veica, but that's another discussion.
The point at the moment is, Nardaq arbitrarily, based solely on his mind and personal preferences, decided to delete extremely popular maps. This is not an attitude in favor of the server, it is an attitude in favor of what he considers "VCTF maps"
Justice edited Collateral map, he had work editing it, adding vehicles there and so on, so Nardaq decides to delete the map because it is "too small" or because "it is not a vctf map" based on nothing other than his personal preferences, that is including disrespectful to the work that justice did. And to be honest, I'm not even a big fan of this map, and I'm even sick of magnet, but they are popular maps, so they shouldn't be deleted, because it attracts people to play other maps and other game modes in the future.
Ps: Conduct a questionnaire with active players and ask them if they prefer to remove AS mode from the server or maps like concrete, magnet and collateral. 90% will respond to remove AS. So it makes sense to keep AS on the server but it doesn't make sense to keep small popular VCTF maps on the server? And when I ask about it, "go play freon?"
I mean...
+1
I want burrito
Bring back magnet
BRING BACK MAGNET AND COLLATERAL!!!
It's more justice to have the maps we all want , including the AS-mode, the VCTF maps that gets removed. And if it's not considering an vctf-map, it's odd because it was perfect as such before , what's the real issue :/
since when is thelongestyard a vctf map, can you remove pls
also could u plz put invisible walls in concrete so u cant shieldjump from flagbase to jumpad?
thxs
Pretty sure this thread was one of the better places to talk about the lack of communication and sometimes questionable decisions being made by admins, but whatever.
QuotePretty sure this thread was one of the better places to talk about the lack of communication and sometimes questionable decisions being made by admins, but whatever.
I asked him on discord and he ignored
Another way to kill the game is to be agressive to admins.
Perhaps a more gentle approach would be more appreciated.
I only said facts, at no point was I disrespectful or offending Nardaq. He was much more disrespectful telling me to play Freon or removing the map that Justice edited
I just said that Nardaq is not a frequent player to make decisions like these and that he forces assault all the time, as everyone knows.
With all due gentility, Nardaq has previously kicked and banned players that don't play to his liking, regularly nukes players (and the entire area) that annoy him, and apparently also removes maps that don't meet his approval, despite people voting for those maps. What's the correct approach to asking him not to do these things, such that we won't also be banned, kicked, and nuked?
Quote from: Flenser on June 19, 2024, 17:43
With all due gentility, Nardaq has previously kicked and banned players that don't play to his liking, regularly nukes players (and the entire area) that annoy him, and apparently also removes maps that don't meet his approval, despite people voting for those maps. What's the correct approach to asking him not to do these things, such that we won't also be banned, kicked, and nuked?
Not to mention that he freezes people's names, or literally bans usernames he doesn't like. I rarely agree with Flenser, but this time I 100% do
Yep, it'd be appreciated if the game in progress was left alone.
Dropping monsters, spiders, and deemers all over the place and nuking the winning teams base lends nothing to the enjoyment of the game, although low grav' can be fun at times.
How to kill a dying game in 2 steps 1 step:
Allow sup to play
That's the problem with admins who don't play, they don't know anything about the players who keep the server alive. They only see logs.
See Monday how many players were online when nardaq deleted concrete, space, magnet and collateral. But ofc u don't care, u don't play vctf.
Only here we already had at least 4 vctf players who agree with me (and i know at least 10 more), but yeah, u're right man, keep reading the vctf logs while you play freon, it's working very well.
Sup is a great skilled player and he is one of the most beloved players, he always tries to make a happy atmosphere in the game, and being nice! And many people on the server would agree with me.
I play often, almost everyday and I haven't seen you Holy, playing on warfare server, so judging people you don't know, its not a way to go, think if it was reverse, nobody wouldnt want to be judge based on unknowlegde... ღ
ye who tf is holy
Holy is the guy who uses this to de-stress: https://www.coolgift.com/en/Anti-Stress-USB-Enter-Key . Just replace 'enter' with 'BAN' plaka :D
Also Otti's praise of sup makes me think of the note taker that surrounds the NK dictator :D
Quote from: Ottiishiia on June 20, 2024, 00:06
Sup is a great skilled player and he is one of the most beloved players, he always tries to make a happy atmosphere in the game, and being nice! And many people on the server would agree with me.
I play often, almost everyday and I haven't seen you Holy, playing on warfare server, so judging people you don't know, its not a way to go, think if it was reverse, nobody wouldnt want to be judge based on unknowlegde... ღ
tl;dr
Dw, I summarize for you:
you don't know shit about me or the vctf server, yw
I know that you spend more time as a drama queen on the forum, than ingame
Sigh, and Pig asks me not to be aggressive...
Yeah, let's delete all the most popular maps in the game and that's okay, let's add 50 more assault maps that no one wants to play besides Pjano and Nardaq and that's okay.
I tried to talk to Nardaq on discord and he ignored it, just like he ignored it here. Anyway, close this thread and whatever.
Yar, I wouldn't annoy Holy if I were you SUP; Holy has no restraint :D + he is a really good shot!
In all fairness, I would have to agree with the majority vote of players. Just my take. I don't play vctf very often - I have played a few times. I find it too confusing to remember which keys are for which guns in vehicles, with my freon kb layout.
I will try playing vctf again soon ::)
Since the precedent is set, I'm considering what arbitrary changes of my own to make to behaviour I don't like, such as giant donkey statues that crush people that sit in superweapon spawns for more than 10 seconds. And if anybody complains, I'll force their nickname to "giant-donkey-statue-hater."
Quote from: holyspam on June 19, 2024, 22:32
How to kill a dying game in 2 steps 1 step:
Allow sup to play
I don't see there being a problem with allowing Sup to play.
Quote from: sup on June 20, 2024, 19:43
Sigh, and Pig asks me not to be aggressive...
His post caught me a little off-guard.
I understand that defense occurs, this is natural and everything is fine. Sup, he is a good member of the server, he always respected the rules, he doesn't cause trouble. We know that smaller maps bring more excitement due to the speed at which things happen. Please do not remove the smaller maps.
thank guys
QuoteSince the precedent is set, I'm considering what arbitrary changes of my own to make to behaviour I don't like, such as giant donkey statues that crush people that sit in superweapon spawns for more than 10 seconds. And if anybody complains, I'll force their nickname to "giant-donkey-statue-hater."
This would be an arbitrary change that would have my 100% support xD
Nardaq is still dropping deemers all over the place and nuking the winning teams base (at least twice yesterday).
What enjoyment can possibly be gained from ruining the game like this? The "photo op' at the end is a fun part of a match, is he getting some sort of kick, knowing full well he's pissing off other players?
This is not only affecting gameplay, it has also stopped me from donating towards the upkeep of the server this year.
Interfering during matches for the glee of one individual is not my idea of fun. Is it too much to ask for the forced map switching, dropped monsters/Malcolms/nukes, or whatevers to stop?
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On another note...the immediate respawn in warfare often has me jumping and spraying bullets in every direction as It takes a fraction of a seconds for my brain to register I've been killed. Could the respawn timer be upped to 1 second? I feel this will give players sufficient time to regroup and refocus.
My take on this is that the things admins can do that other players can't do should be sparingly and appropriately done.
I'll ask again.
Longest yard should be re-named as longest school yard :D In all my youtube recordings I always wanted admin nukes / mods but never got many. Barring map deletes, admin mods like speed, fun mods , lao's dragons are what made the game less monotonous. I am not for low grav in longest but sometimes it is ok ;) So, don't switch off the fun mods but do it when the crowd is right I guess :)
(https://emoji.aranja.com/static/emoji-data/img-twitter-72/1f44f.png) Good job guys
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I love you Sup
I love you too Puss Sup!
P/s. whers Halsey? i miss her. And love her more than Sup.
P.P.s. sorry Sup :D
I see not a lot's changed with admin abuse since I went on strike and stopped playing :D I'll be back once they're removed or replaced.
No idea why such a small game/server needs them tbh... Players should just respect each other and then deal with things as a community, taking appropriate action as agreed by the majority (not minority e.g. one admin). Feels like there's no democracy atm, unless posts like these are made and admin's are called out. After all, it's 'the love of the game' that keeps UT2004 going and if that's taken away then it will quickly die.
Quote from: Ekulz on June 28, 2024, 19:59
Players should just respect each other and then deal with things as a community, taking appropriate action as agreed by the majority (not minority e.g. one admin).
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
HA!
Quote from: holyspam on July 09, 2024, 21:09
Quote from: Ekulz on June 28, 2024, 19:59
Players should just respect each other and then deal with things as a community, taking appropriate action as agreed by the majority (not minority e.g. one admin).
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
HA!
Am I missing somthing? What is there to laugh at?
+1
hu hu hu
Quote from: freshmeat on July 10, 2024, 17:04
hu hu hu
The most constructive comment in this thread so far.
Some say: sup is the best
QuoteSome say: sup is the best
Yes, that's right, Right !
O brother where are thou? :(
Quote from: Right on July 12, 2024, 09:49
O brother where are thou? :(
no one is having fun, this map really needs to be deleted, notice how everyone leaves and no one wants to play this map, thankfully Nardaq noted this for the sake of the server, It's clearly a non-VCTF map
Quote from: sup on July 12, 2024, 23:27
no one is having fun, this map really needs to be deleted, notice how everyone leaves and no one wants to play this map, thankfully Nardaq noted this for the sake of the server, It's clearly a non-VCTF map
Ok, that must be my unfamiliarity with what a VCTF map is.
I just started coming up (3 times!) on this one. :-[
Not as an excuse O:-), but I have been playing VCTF since the end of 2022 and am just now starting to get the hang of the maps and fine-tune my gameplay.
So speaking from there I miss the original maps it screws up my planning :(.
Not all maps have to have vehicles to be fun. I personally think it's fine to have a few non-vehicle maps. If people don't want to play them they don't need to vote for them.
Quote from: Piglet on July 13, 2024, 13:35
Not all maps have to have vehicles to be fun. I personally think it's fine to have a few non-vehicle maps. If people don't want to play them they don't need to vote for them.
exactly, this is a prudent attitude from someone who thinks about the server and not about personal preferences, people used to vote for this map and it was deleted, because, according to nardaq "I had some advantage there" (although, as u can see, I lost this match in this video that Right posted)
If players are not happy with a map, they simply don't vote for that map, it's as simple as that, the need to delete a map is proof that it was a popular map
And again I'm a bit lost.
Are you okay with Magnet being gone, Sup?
Because I think this was played quite often in the bit more than a year and a half that I have been playing and it was fun. In any case, I found it entertaining and still quite a challenge for me to learn multiple route and spots in it.
I certainly can't judge the reason for removal, but the players choose and played it.
That said, it raises another general question for me: is warfare now the collection of VCTF, AS and ONS or specifically VCTF?
Should ICTF be mention in this question or even added as an fourth option?
If any of these are chosen, 12 of the 16 players immediately leave or go to spec (including me).
Isn't that a reason to remove it too?
(maybe is this an own topic worthy)
Please can someone list the maps they miss, and I'll have a look at them.
There was some heated admin chat about maps that I didn't much follow...
1. MAGNET
2. MAGNET
3. MAGNET
I can't put enough emphasis on "magnet".
Quote from: duke on July 13, 2024, 23:03
1. MAGNET
2. MAGNET
3. MAGNET
I can't put enough emphasis on "magnet".
U can actually look:
>>>>> MAGNET <<<<<
Quote from: Piglet on July 13, 2024, 21:19
Please can someone list the maps they miss, and I'll have a look at them.
There was some heated admin chat about maps that I didn't much follow...
Nardaq had removed concrete, collateral, spacestation, magnet, etc. But justice put those maps back with the exception of Magnet
I believe that some other maps were also removed, but I don't remember, Justice knows everything
Once upon a time there was a map called Streetfight v2 on the maplist, if it ever comes back, it will be much appreciated :)
Magnet's upper section is probably the issue. Only the bunny-hopper-trials players can get up there reliably in a firefight
I think I am a bunny hopper but I have been up there at least 3-5 times in almost 2 year.
Serious: It can not be so that maps need to go because players can not learn or do not learn the moves.
I even if it could save me, I can not master dogde- and wall jump but i will not complain or expect maps be deleted because of that.
(So even if you see me dodge, that is not on purpose)
Bring back magnet
Quote from: Piglet on July 14, 2024, 16:15
Magnet's upper section is probably the issue. Only the bunny-hopper-trials players can get up there reliably in a firefight
actually any player can go there with a simple double jump in the lift
At first no one knew how to go there, now many players have learned, I don't understand why remove maps that everyone likes and develop players' game play.
As u can see, even Hell can do it:
Quote from: Piglet on July 14, 2024, 16:15
Magnet's upper section is probably the issue. Only the bunny-hopper-trials players can get up there reliably in a firefight
But that should incentivize other players to improve since it's really not that difficult to get there (from a technical standpoint, different story if you're running away with the flag obviously).
Also, even if you went for the flag and straight for the first floor you'd fail most of the time, it's not easy to get up consistently as one would think. Watch replays of me, sup or dark f.e. and see the percentages for yourself. Usually it's 1 out of 4/5 attempts made, if that. The elevator/ramp is easy to block. Plus there's usually at least 1 player in each time who can reach the upper floor, so a deadlock doesn't occur that often from what I've witnessed.
I have been in games where the flag carrier sits up there for ages while none of the other team can reach them
I am by no means a bunny hopper, but IMO it's super easy to get up there, just jumping while the elevator is going up.
I generally don't like Sup's favorite maps (TDI City, anyone?) but if people vote for a map, why should it be removed?
Also, Sup, that video is frickin' brilliant. Major props, well done. I laughed so hard.
lol ty, I had a good protagonist
Sup's maps are the best, I just like maps that need a brain, I want to honor 6 million years of evolution
wait... bunny hopper means more skill or is it that you can only hop in one straight line?
@admin
So, what is the status of magnet?
There was some argument in the admin group about maps and people got upset. I didn't really understand why it was such a big deal.
My take on it is unchanged: A few less vehicle-heavy/non-vehicle maps are fine. If there's enough people who want to vote for them then they'll get played. If not...they won't. I added it back in this morning.
Personally I loathe Assault. If people want to play it...well...they can...
Quote from: Piglet on August 13, 2024, 21:26
There was some argument in the admin group about maps and people got upset. I didn't really understand why it was such a big deal.
My take on it is unchanged: A few less vehicle-heavy/non-vehicle maps are fine. If there's enough people who want to vote for them then they'll get played. If not...they won't. I added it back in this morning.
Personally I loathe Assault. If people want to play it...well...they can...
Magnet was reactivated today
To the surprise of 0 people it was a success as always
As soon as magnet started being played 8 more players joined (including me)
0 complaints
btw I failed many times trying to get up there, It's not as easy as it seems against a good defense
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Please bring back Streetfight map.
It just needs a killzone up there and all will be good.
First thing first: Thank you Piglet
Quote from: Piglet on August 13, 2024, 21:51
It just needs a killzone up there and all will be good.
That will be a challenge with 2 times 100 health keg O:-)
If it is even possible:
Every 5 minutes a deemer and and auto return zone >:D
But really, it is a bit the the same like the shed in Harobed or the room in Barn. With the difference that not anyone can reach it.
My thought is that these original maps (just like collateral) are just fine. all in all it can take what? 15-20 minutes?
That is only when someone goes up with the flag and decides to stay there.
I my memory serves me well, a "normal" game does not go to the end.
Originality is my preference, small adjustments... ok, new objects/vehicles are not in favor in my opinion.
Especially when I think about the fact that these maps have sometimes existed for 15-20 years.
A lot of People play Unreal because of that: You know what you get.
As an example the Omni server: "look what the done to my song MA"
They changed almost all the maps (with those new and to powerful crazy vehicles)
Result: I'm not playing there.
I (again personally) am also in favor of adding a second version and seeing which one is preferred, data will prove this!
This is a serious suggestion : You have some good ideas. Why not take up mapping. You could help with map tweaks (or even new ones).
Basically all you need to do is to disable your graphics driver when using unrealed, and work through the book: "Mastering Unreal Technology: The Art of Level Design" by Jason Busby; Zak Parrish; Joel Van Eenwyk
ISBN 10: 0672326922 ISBN 13: 9780672326929
Available second hand for very little money on legit sites, and electronically through not so legit sites.
UE2SelectionFixes (https://github.com/metallicafan212/UE2SelectionFixes) has been out for a couple months now and fixes a lot of issues on newer versions of Windows.
Quote from: Piglet on August 13, 2024, 21:51
It just needs a killzone up there and all will be good.
Depending on the definitions of "killzone" and "up there" this could be done in 15 seconds with a PhysicsVolume.
Yeah. Thing is the area is a big feature of the map.
In the end I made a couple of very small changes to the map that mean that more people can get up there. Not just the trials players or those otherwise good at trick-jumping etc
Making things easy for players doesn't make them play better
So, can we please get the collateral back without the flyers? :(
Yes.
Quote from: Piglet on August 13, 2024, 21:26
Personally I loathe Assault. If people want to play it...well...they can...
I'm like that when people vote camp! If people want to play it then go drink a beer for a map after going into spec, then rejoin when there is something that one likes playing 8)