Well I'm not new, in any context, but I just registered. Think I might have an old account here but made a new one. Hope to frag you more often now, and maybe make a map in game mode of your choice.
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Welcome !!
Welcome to the boards!
Welcome!
If you're in the mood for mapping what we're really looking for are maps for Freon that play as well as Contrast or Goose. Lots of Z action, excellent flow with different routes. Not too spam or hitscan biased.
It's a really difficult balance to get. Those two maps get it right.
Quote from: Piglet on August 16, 2020, 09:59
Welcome!
If you're in the mood for mapping what we're really looking for are maps for Freon that play as well as Contrast or Goose. Lots of Z action, excellent flow with different routes. Not too spam or hitscan biased.
It's a really difficult balance to get. Those two maps get it right.
Thanks! I have always liked Goose, Soma made some good maps. Contrast I don't like the look of, but it plays well from what I have witnessed and experienced. =) Freon is a challenge, I spect a few games last night and was blown away by the action, some really talented players. Must have been camping freon servers for ages = Tough crowd to map for. But a challenge must be accepted. Don't get mad if some noob joins in sometimes and fux up the game, I'm just doing research..
Yeah. You're right. Contrast isn't pretty but it has the right layout for great gameplay.
The best maps for Freon appear to have multiple z axis levels, and lots of different routes round the map to choose from. Not too cramped to prevent effective hitscan, whilst at the same time not being too cramped to make spam overpowering.
Lifts. Yes, we like good lift jumps....
Re pretty, I think what makes goose / trast / remedy such great maps is that there is not a huge variance in wall / floor textures or distracting features. It is all gameplay.
have to weight in on the question of what makes a good map for freon! :)
it's about balance,. you want a few open hitscan areas and variety of tighter areas for more tactical shooting (some might call that spam!)
like pigs says, for freon there should be more than one route typically to get from one area to another,. but not so many routes that it's too difficult to find the last unfrozen player
adding Z I think helps generally because it gives more routes and lift jumps between areas means the map can be traversed quickly - so you don't end up running huge distance to get from one side of the map to the other (i.e. the total volume of the map is kept reasonable but it creates space available so 8v8 doesn't turn into a spambox)
or something - sounds simple !? :)
I SUPPORT ADDING Z-s
ALSO - WELCOME
Lift jumps, jump pads, no map is alive without it. The only map I built without it was my first and only ONS map that nobody heard of (I love onslaught, but mapping for it is so mind wrecking). Z is great, as long as not one Z direction is too dominant (get on top = win the game). The mentioned maps are great examples of preventing that. hagis put the finger on the big challenge with freon: You are too f----g picky! :D No, kidding, but what you say is it's about balance and not just throwing out resources and let players make up the game play. The map layout is the resource. No nodes, flags, DD, super weapons, just the map and the opponents. Tricky. But interesting.
Hi Molgan[ApA] welcome
Quote from: zeus on August 20, 2020, 18:36
I SUPPORT ADDING Z-s
ALSO - WELCOME
At least this time not by impregnating innocent cows...
Hi Molgan, welcome back.
..and thanks for all the welcomes!
Hi :)
Quote from: Piglet on August 20, 2020, 10:35
Yeah. You're right. Contrast isn't pretty but it has the right layout for great gameplay.
The best maps for Freon appear to have multiple z axis levels, and lots of different routes round the map to choose from. Not too cramped to prevent effective hitscan, whilst at the same time not being too cramped to make spam overpowering.
Lifts. Yes, we like good lift jumps....
When I have a map that can be playtested, do you have a server for it? I have tried some stuff, only playtested myself and redeemed it useless for online testing, but I might have something soon (work is taking up too much time atm so soon is relative, I'm a uni lecturer and those scary students are approaching..)
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Quote from: wife on August 27, 2020, 23:15
What subject do you teach?
We have a closed playtest server that is used for a wide variety of experiments. I only use it to see how a maps 'behind the scenes' stuff changes based on whether it's online or offline play - like how movers with bFixedRotationDir become out of sync with thier collision online, or how UScript logic is read differently.
For actual play testing gameplay with live players, the best place to do that would be on the live servers and see what people say about it.
Subjects: Class-A modeling (nurbs), prototyping, design methods and industrial design sketching. At the moment I'm caught up in research so mostly sketching and visualization (both 3D and analogue).
Sounds like there are places to test maps for both technical and structural flaws, great! ;)
Yeah - just let me know as and when and we can try it on the test server, or on Freon 3