First, again i ask you mods to add VCTF-Hetairu][Tortuga again, it was wrong to remove it, most people loved it.
It may not be perfect, but no map is. Overall, it's a great map and it's a shame to not let people play it.
I been looking through maps online and i noticed number of classic VCTF/CTF maps is not on MiA at the moment.
Like
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/vehicular-ctf/2377/VCTF-Z-DarkWar
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5428/VCTF-MartialLaw2005
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=4301_VCTF-&-CTF-BedroomsRemix-DC
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1324_VCTF-GOLD_SYNTHESYS
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1329_VCTF-MenWork
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/3653/CTF-Collateral
And few i never seen before which seem nice
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1967/CTF-Lagoona
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5603/CTF---LIP---Dark-Skies-2
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1880/EternalCaves---Classic
[linkimg]https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads/VCTF-GOLD_SYNTHESYS_18l.jpg[/linkimg]
...looks to Justice for an assessment....
Also, there is another great map i cannot find, i think i played it on PBG. It is mostly closed map with open air, side walled pool and a bridge inbetween and tunnels going beneath the pool into bases. If anyone knows, please name it.
cronix is the king!
Quote from: Arbok on June 18, 2021, 18:52
cronix is the king!
Only if you're gonna be my queen.
lol..HLK(why the fuck i always write her name with caps on) ,miuze/miauz(always get it wrong) and wife are all queens already!
but i can be the price.
and docnabyon can be the jester
8)
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/vehicular-ctf/2377/VCTF-Z-DarkWar
Stuicky trees. Poor layout. Can't see that working.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5428/VCTF-MartialLaw2005
Worth a try. May not work.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=4301_VCTF-&-CTF-BedroomsRemix-DC
We have Redrooms which is a better version of this.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1324_VCTF-GOLD_SYNTHESYS
Looks fun.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1329_VCTF-MenWork
Massive FPS drops. No shock at one set of spawns. Probably too big and laggy.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/3653/CTF-Collateral
I quite like this for a few people. Probably one to have in the list.
Quote from: Piglet on June 19, 2021, 12:36
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/vehicular-ctf/2377/VCTF-Z-DarkWar
Stuicky trees. Poor layout. Can't see that working.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5428/VCTF-MartialLaw2005
Worth a try. May not work.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=4301_VCTF-&-CTF-BedroomsRemix-DC
We have Redrooms which is a better version of this.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1324_VCTF-GOLD_SYNTHESYS
Looks fun.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1329_VCTF-MenWork
Massive FPS drops. No shock at one set of spawns. Probably too big and laggy.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/3653/CTF-Collateral
I quite like this for a few people. Probably one to have in the list.
Sticky trees? I played that map for years, never have i stuck in any tree, great map for many players.
Also, how bout a second chance for Hetairu.
Well, i may have stuck few times in those trees, but not with vehicles, i stuck when going on foot between hills and the forest, there are few places like that.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1967/CTF-Lagoona
Too few routes. Stalemate.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5603/CTF---LIP---Dark-Skies-2
Imagine 32 players on this?
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1880/EternalCaves---Classic
One teammate could hold off an army
Quote from: Piglet on June 19, 2021, 19:20
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1967/CTF-Lagoona
Too few routes. Stalemate.
Yet you have that map i think it's called bloodpool which also has only narrow side passages, here at least you can cross water by jumping logs or swimming. Seems like a very nice map.
Quote
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5603/CTF---LIP---Dark-Skies-2
Imagine 32 players on this?
Like mini LongestYard, would be great for ~8 players.
Quote
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1880/EternalCaves---Classic
One teammate could hold off an army
I am sure teams would score easier than on beforementioned Bloodpool or whatever it's called.
Three have been added. If Justice can make anything of the others...
Just played all 3 new maps, they loved em all.
Good sign to add others too.
Good sign to ignore the others until Justice has had a look :)
Sure :)
...
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/vehicular-ctf/2377/VCTF-Z-DarkWar
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1967/CTF-Lagoona
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/5603/CTF---LIP---Dark-Skies-2
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/capture-the-flag/1880/EternalCaves---Classic
If not all, at least add VCTF-Z-DarkWar. Just give it a chance, if they don't like it delete it, simple.
VCTF-Z-DarkWar - The only use I can see for that is as a warning on how not to make maps.
Quote from: Piglet on June 28, 2021, 17:07
VCTF-Z-DarkWar - The only use I can see for that is as a warning on how not to make maps.
Dude, that is your personal opinion, let players decide.
I love it when mods play god cause they "know" best. Do as you like, but you are degrading your own server by rejecting fun maps.
Cronix, chap, relax. It's a map...in a game...I'm sure Piglet can be conviced either way but taking that attitude probably isn't the best approach.
kops, bro, i'm chill, you're not getting it, i'm just saying it's a shame players don't get to play some great maps just because mod thinks it's no good. Too often i seen mods on forums in general take the role of gods, it's actually funny.
Thanks Cronix.
Those maps are too big for VCTF. Trust me, i tried almost every map around.
I suggest you to take a look at Bombing Run or regular CTF maps. There are many of them that could be fun after vctf conversion.
You're welcome. Well, Z-DarkWar is big, but there are big maps right now on the server, i believe not smaller than this one. On a manta or in a scorpion, that is not that far + you got some nice views around. Also that nice pool in each base, possibility of direct access through the gate or across the walls or from behind from the hills.. would be much fun, i think it at least deserves a try but if you are so convinced it's too big, then ok, nevermind.
It's not just me who doesn't think it'll work.
I've added it to the end of the map list. Unless people come back here to say it's great I'll remove it tomorrow.
Z-DarkWar bad map.
me killer ender moi bazzy and an checked it..
2 big tho.
i think the server needs to have 10 good vctf maps ,2 ons maps and thats about it.
when a few **** voting for an unknown map,40% of the current players in game are disconnecting.
p.s
collateral is a good map u can keep it.
Quote from: Arbok on June 29, 2021, 11:09
Z-DarkWar bad map.
me killer ender moi bazzy and an checked it..
Yeah. We checked it out too....and couldn't see anything that indicated that it could be a good map. CRONix seemed adamant, so I added it in case I missed something and it was good. I'd be happy to be wrong. Another good map would be good to have.
Arbok, are there maps in the list that aren't good? If there are then maybe Absolute_Madness (Justice) or someone else with mapping skills could tweak them.
There's no point in having poor maps in the list. Ones that work well at lower numbers are worth having for when there are fewer people around.
I'd be happy with Bloodbath and HalfPipe (without mantas) on 24*7 rotation :)
Quote from: Piglet on June 29, 2021, 10:28
Unless people come back here to say it's great I'll remove it tomorrow.
You know that will not happen no matter how much they like it, they love the 3 new maps, not one of them came here to praise them. Give it few days, see how they react in-play.
Played it for second time, this time with 14 players, seems they generally liked it, few haters as always of course. It's a challenging map, you won't get 5:4 in this map, it ended 1:0, it requires some manta skill and tactique. In my opinion we should add 2-3 mantas cause manta is essential here, one guy said all ground vehicles should be replaced by tanks.
was one of them able to dodge right?
Quote from: Piglet on June 29, 2021, 12:20
Quote from: Arbok on June 29, 2021, 11:09
Z-DarkWar bad map.
me killer ender moi bazzy and an checked it..
Yeah. We checked it out too....and couldn't see anything that indicated that it could be a good map. CRONix seemed adamant, so I added it in case I missed something and it was good. I'd be happy to be wrong. Another good map would be good to have.
Arbok, are there maps in the list that aren't good? If there are then maybe Absolute_Madness (Justice) or someone else with mapping skills could tweak them.
There's no point in having poor maps in the list. Ones that work well at lower numbers are worth having for when there are fewer people around.
I'd be happy with Bloodbath and HalfPipe (without mantas) on 24*7 rotation :)
There are only few maps that are really bad.
I will make a maps update soon
In my opinion, adding few new maps here and there is a must to keep things fresh.
He deleted the Z-DarkWar, lol. Literally 5sec manta ride to enemy flag, but it's "too big", ok good.
Where did I say it was too big?
You didn't others did as main issue, so i addressed that.
You said "poor layout" - not true, and "sticky trees" - true but not such a big deal if you're careful you're not gonna get stuck.
Some people were just saying how Face Classis is a classic but getting boring and then i realized much better Face3 is not available. I'd appreciate if you install it.
https://www.mapraider.com/maps/unreal-tournament-3/capture-the-flag/5540/CTF-Facing-Worlds-3
?
That's a UT3 map...
It's a UT4 map, i posted the wrong link to the version adapted to UT3, here is the right one.
https://unrealarchive.org/maps/unreal-tournament-2004/vehicle-ctf/I/vctf-id-face3_42446d7e.html
tnx
Just played it. It's very pretty, but too big. And not in a good way.
Yeah cronix JP is right it's too big i have played it with my brother that's too hard to get out of enemy base with good HP, even you will meet many enemies on your way, so capturing is not eazy, it can be endless with many players
It's too big argument doesn't hold water.
It's same size as face, maybe slightly bigger behind the towers but central part is copy paste face.
Also there are multiple bigger maps on the server.
Right now subterranean blovination is being played and it's waaay bigger.
It's such a fun map, you should've not removed it.
Capturing is actually easy when you get to know the map, sneak in from behind or side or above,
sneak out to the side or front, catapult to the middle of the map...from there you got a big chance of capturing if your team is defending etc.
you can add a section : ONS, VCTF, CRONIX maps xd
Z-Darkwar should also be returned
Quote from: CRONix on August 20, 2021, 14:33
Z-Darkwar should also be returned
All the maps that are for on download on most of website have been tested.
In my opinion, you should take a look at Bombing Run maps, few popular maps on server are BR maps converted to VCTF
There are number of great maps on Powered By Gas missing here.
Quote from: CRONix on August 20, 2021, 23:52
There are number of great maps on Powered By Gas missing here.
post names
@Justice, nem ajánlok önnek több térképet, mivel úgy sem telepíted. Cronix térképei nagyok, és zsúfoltak mégis telepíted amit ő kér.
Én nem ajánlok neked többet semmit... Legyél boldog.
Translation: Moan. Rattle thrown. Stomp off.
Quote from: Absolute_Madness on August 21, 2021, 16:35
Quote from: CRONix on August 20, 2021, 23:52
There are number of great maps on Powered By Gas missing here.
post names
Hard to remember the names, one great one is supermario, i'd have to go to PBG but i don't think it's online. I sent admin an email but he didn't reply (yet).
And i can't believe you deleted Face3 again, what the. Most people liked it, just today one guy said it's an amazing map. Why do you listen to few haters.
You deleted the face3 and added 10ish shit maps, like really really shit maps everybody asks for them to be deleted.
Just now i'm looking at this fieldofscreams being played, not only is it ugly and looks like it's from 1990., it is like 3 times the size of face3.
Quote from: CRONix on August 25, 2021, 12:00
You deleted the face3 and added 10ish shit maps, like really really shit maps everybody asks for them to be deleted.
Just now i'm looking at this fieldofscreams being played, not only is it ugly and looks like it's from 1990., it is like 3 times the size of face3.
This game is from 90 :P
Quote from: CRONix on August 25, 2021, 12:00
You deleted the face3 and added 10ish shit maps, like really really shit maps everybody asks for them to be deleted.
Just now i'm looking at this fieldofscreams being played, not only is it ugly and looks like it's from 1990., it is like 3 times the size of face3.
Face has been on server once and we removed it after on the first day.
We are actually cleaning maplist and many more maps will be removed and new ones added.
I still see no valid reason to delete it, it is not too big, it's a nice map, but as you wish
Lao.
Water not working on blue side (the lower one) in the new magis map version.
Quote from: Megumi on August 28, 2021, 08:14
Lao.
Water not working on blue side (the lower one) in the new magis map version.
Hello
I will fix it
Thnks
Return face3
It wasn't a good map, you just gotta Face3 the facts
.
Why did the magisfun map got modified? It was one of the best map and most played, it didn't need modification.
This new easier version of Magisfun with jumpads from base to base is laggy and no adrenalines...
The jumpads linked from base to base, who asked this? Maybe next time just put 2 teleporters from flag to flag it will be easier.
Hope the previous version will stay...
Quote from: jiRNGen on August 30, 2021, 15:46
Why did the magisfun map got modified? It was one of the best map and most played, it didn't need modification.
This new easier version of Magisfun with jumpads from base to base is laggy and no adrenalines...
The jumpads linked from base to base, who asked this? Maybe next time just put 2 teleporters from flag to flag it will be easier.
Hope the previous version will stay...
This is experimental not a final version.
the original version is fun just for couple of players who are shiled jumping around.
Of course The jumpads will be nerfed, but the upper paths will be modified.
Quote from: Absolute_Madness on August 30, 2021, 18:44
Quote from: jiRNGen on August 30, 2021, 15:46
Why did the magisfun map got modified? It was one of the best map and most played, it didn't need modification.
This new easier version of Magisfun with jumpads from base to base is laggy and no adrenalines...
The jumpads linked from base to base, who asked this? Maybe next time just put 2 teleporters from flag to flag it will be easier.
Hope the previous version will stay...
This is experimental not a final version.
the original version is fun just for couple of players who are shiled jumping around.
Of course The jumpads will be nerfed, but the upper paths will be modified.
This is like saying :"we should modify all the maps where a couple of players have fun with manta running".
I don't have problem with the maps where we need good manta drivers, i'm not good at it but i accept the fact that some players are having fun with it and use it at their advantage.
Skilled players should have the right to use the moves they want weither it's with manta, shieldgun, raptor etc...
I'm not a fan of the original map - nor manta runs.... hey ho. I've not tried this version yet
Quote from: [MiA]Latte on August 28, 2021, 21:29
It wasn't a good map, you just gotta Face3 the facts
That is a fac3tious thing to say, not true tho
We're multifac3ted.
Hello, i was playing the ictf and there s a map called valley of peace, i think it will be great with some vehicles for a vctf, kisses
Go for it. You have unrealed....give it a go....
@Absolute_Madness
I am asking you again to bring back Face3. It's a fun map, it's not too big, most loved it...
Not to mention there are rn maps on the servers incomparably worse in every aspect.
https://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/DM-BP2-GoopGod
https://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/DM-BP2-Calandras
for freon
Quote from: charsi_baba_zzz on September 29, 2021, 23:26
https://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/DM-BP2-GoopGod
https://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/DM-BP2-Calandras
for freon
both are on the server (I think for a while) but aren't in the current votable list
I like they both but already a lot of maps never get played :(
You clearly don't intend to bring back Face3 altho 10 times shittier maps are on the server. Nevermind.
But at least disable the equalizer, it is pure idiocy. All the time, someone carries a flag, just about to score...
player has been switched to blue/red by eq. What the.
We're working on the equaliser. It's currently gathering stats. If you want to help, feel free to liaise with TheCowboy.
Quote from: CRONix on October 07, 2021, 15:23
But at least disable the equalizer, it is pure idiocy. All the time, someone carries a flag, just about to score...
player has been switched to blue/red by eq. What the.
Also that would be the handiwork of some other code. I haven't even started writing the team switching code yet!
My coding skills are basic and date back to QBasic, Vbasic, PHP and JS basics, and i have no time or desire to learn the UnrealScript, it's the overall impression in-game equalizer should have never existed. Everybody complains or lols at it pretty much all the time, but they don't care enough to say it in the forum.
And when it's off you end up with lots of players switching to the winning team.
Quote from: CRONix on October 07, 2021, 16:45
but they don't care enough to say it in the forum.
CRONix, because it's unnecessary
Quote from: CRONix on October 07, 2021, 16:45
My coding skills are basic and date back to QBasic, Vbasic, PHP and JS basics, and i have no time or desire to learn the UnrealScript, it's the overall impression in-game equalizer should have never existed.
I have neither the patience nor the humbleness to explain utility of Equaliser to someone who is so myopic who can't really see the relevant threads in this forum.
Or have enough courage to post there!
Some time in the past.
Developer: I made an [insert mod name] that solves problems X and Y, but can't solve Z - that requires different logic.
Community: wow that is great, we can live with problem Z, if it means solving X and Y
Years later...
Newbie: OMG the [equaliser] is the cause of problem Z, it has to be removed!!
Community: Ugh...he doesn't even know about X and Y.
Developer: .....
edit: added colours for better clarification/understanding
Hmm, I don't have any problem with problem reporting or everyone liking/not liking Equalizer. For all I care remove that file and continue threads like https://miasma.rocks/index.php?topic=1703.0 and many more ranting about every possible issue you face in your life.
The least you can try is to be logical. If an issue is bothering you SPEAK. Comments like "Everybody complains or lols at it pretty much all the time, but they don't care enough to say it in the forum." are not helpful in that sense. This just leads to the judgement that you are a convivence package which, fortunately, doesn't run the world.
And before you start banging your head, oops, hand, on the keyboard again, just read https://forums.beyondunreal.com/threads/how-to-ask-questions-the-smart-way.109192/
and
https://forums.beyondunreal.com/threads/before-asking-a-question-have-you.154515/
(this is called doing some research)
The current equalizer is not perfect...as Holy says, it fixed some problems but not all which is why The_Cowboy and I have spent rather more of our precious time than people probably appreciate looking at and testing alternatives and actively doing something to work out a better alternative:
looking at other balancers,
designing,
coding,
bug fixing,
hosting a dedicated website to hold the data,
creating and configuring databases,
working out how to design and configure everything to be able to talk with unrealscript,
how to capture pertinent information,
etc etc.
Work is progressing, and you'll have seen some updates from the progress so far.
So "disable the equalizer, it is pure idiocy." Is simply annoying.
Quote from: The_Cowboy on October 08, 2021, 05:52
I have neither the patience nor the humbleness to explain utility of Equaliser to someone who is so myopic who can't really see the relevant threads in this forum.
So, i am short-sighted cause i don't dig in other threads, sweet logic.
I stress again, i don't think anyone cares, actual complaints are rare, they usually lol at it, especially when it switches them in key moments.
For example you play your ass off whole game and then seconds before the end 'switched to blue by eq' etc.
Quote from: CRONix on October 08, 2021, 11:49
For example you play your ass off whole game and then seconds before the end 'switched to blue by eq' etc.
That is life. I myself have been switched and it becomes difficult to control my emotions at that moment. But making a choice helps.
Rest assured you (and your friends) are not alone to experience this.
The current logic is that the last player to join gets switched if the teams get >2 apart in size. It's not complex.
Also, when you get switched by eq you lose 1 point as if you killed yourself.
You can have one of my points.
;) Ok, don't fix it.
I been looking for one map from PBG but can't find it, i did stumble upon few good ones i know
http://www.poweredbygas.net/downloads/ut2004-game-levels/vehicle-ctf/vctf-pbg-legospacebase2k6/
http://www.poweredbygas.net/downloads/ut2004-game-levels/vehicle-ctf/vctf-pbg-crown-of-thornz-autumn/
and few i don't which look fun
https://gamebanana.com/mods/56371
https://gamebanana.com/mods/56378
Kind of miss , when there was only legendary demo maps...
Quote from: Domino on October 16, 2021, 00:47
Kind of miss , when there was only legendary demo maps...
WHY ARE YOU NOT PLAYING DOMINO'S PIZZA?!?!
nobody is playing demo... :(
for me that was perfect mapcycle...
Come on! There are lots of cool maps and we also play faceclassic and Torlan many times. With 5 dollars you buy the full version.
BUY IT RIGHT NOW
Domino's pizza for everyone
i already have full version of the game :)
I see mods are not interested in my map suggestions :))
In case you come to your senses and realize you need new good maps, i say again, Powered by gas has a ton of really great ones, he did not reply to my last email, i don't know what's going on with him, but it's a shame if those maps are lost.
His email is pbg.blockhead[a]gmail.com someone else may try to contact him and ask for the maps.
http://www.poweredbygas.net/