Hello guys, its because i read french i could come across some nicks that are pure racist-anti jews nicknames, playing on Miasma servers
orduresYoutres is the first nickname : Jews=trash is the literal translation, but using words that only anti jews use, can not translate better.
la_quenelle is the second nickname : it is related to a guy(actor, humorist...) who turned out to be racist against jews, and is related now to a group of people(extreme right) who denies the existence of concentration camps during 2ndWW
These guys nicks are post-fixed with FR, so they are located in France, and using such nicks i suspect they are french
I never saw these guys before, so they are quite new on miasma: i stopped playing regularly 2 month ago. Seeing this just smelled so bad on servers i came to really like.
I felt I had to bring the subject, so you guys can decide what to do next, now that you know (i would myself get their IPs and filter out on it in order to ban them, but its just me)
Peace, Joe
Thanks Joe. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
We have absolutely no tolerance for any form of hate/racism etc.
Player 1 is banned.
Player 2 is NanoC/[ST2]Tenebre....he should know better. I'll deal with that another way.
Thanks Piglet for taking swift action.
hmm the amount of times rounin did the exact same thing and got away with it..infuriating
Quote from: Arbok on August 13, 2021, 23:22
hmm the amount of times rounin did the exact same thing and got away with it..infuriating
Since March these are the names he's used:
Rounin_Napoli
ETERNO_DIEGO
La-Parajita-La-Paul
What's the problem?
Quote from: Piglet on August 14, 2021, 10:34
Quote from: Arbok on August 13, 2021, 23:22
hmm the amount of times rounin did the exact same thing and got away with it..infuriating
Since March these are the names he's used:
Rounin_Napoli
ETERNO_DIEGO
La-Parajita-La-Paul
What's the problem?
words in game like : free palastine ,fuck israel ,fuck jew,rat is invisible... stuff like that.
I hope any admin seeing anything like that rids us of the player.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAYING "free palestine"? I DO NOT READ ANY RACISM / HATRED OUT OF IT
Quote from: zeus on August 15, 2021, 21:10
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAYING "free palestine"? I DO NOT READ ANY RACISM / HATRED OUT OF IT
i think that your brain should have already conceived in he's little tiny illusion (that u might be in) the words that followed after that.
your words sums up everything that i pointed out.
the ignorance.
wanna keep a clean game that is uninvolved with politics what so ever? even free "narnia" should be banned to say.
Quote from: Piglet on August 15, 2021, 20:56
I hope any admin seeing anything like that rids us of the player.
pig if your'e not around at that moment? no one will ban him.trust me.
and there were a few situations that some admin was around and haven't done a thing.
I checked the logs and he never once uses the word "Jew".
He has used the word "Israel" twice ever. Both were in the context of referring to a player country code tag instead of name.
There was one comment in Italian I'm checking with the admins made at about the time you accused another player of not being Jewish.
There's certainly no repeated history of problem in what he's saying.
https://i.imgur.com/jk9BFJN.jpeg
are we done?
My viewpoint
* Assumption(s) *
It seems you have great deal of respect for Jews or are one yourself.
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
judei=nazisti
If you understand the equations, you can appreciate the fact that it is not exactly racist(1) (as it is written). Nazis, as far as I know, were supposed to be elite Aryan race (though heavily misguided) but still at the top, or so they believed. If anything that equation puts Jews (if judei is indeed what I think it is) at the top.
If you bring in the entire context of painful/sad historic events, then yeah I think I can understand the rage it might instigate, but I'd give some room that the speaker is not intending the same thing (I may be wrong on that). Maybe he feels the same amount of good or (and) evil from both the races.
What I am saying here is that you won't be able to prove the racist(1) intent of the speaker based on that equation, ever......
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
you are nothing
It might be a personal attack on you as an individual. If you think it is inflicted on the entire race, then "maybe" it is you who are racist (2).
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
Palestina free
Freedom is a birthright (in my ethical sense). If that bothers you, then "maybe" it gives us a clue about you.
(1) Here I think I am assuming that racist means "my race is better than yours so you are inconsequential" kind of mentality. Taking pride in one's own race is a good thing, but not at the cost of others.
(2) Here I think I mean that you are distributing the personal attacks on you, on entire race. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.
Quote from: Arbok on August 15, 2021, 22:01
Quote from: zeus on August 15, 2021, 21:10
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAYING "free palestine"? I DO NOT READ ANY RACISM / HATRED OUT OF IT
i think that your brain should have already conceived in he's little tiny illusion (that u might be in) the words that followed after that.
your words sums up everything that i pointed out.
the ignorance.
wanna keep a clean game that is uninvolved with politics what so ever? even free "narnia" should be banned to say.
https://ibb.co/BVnDFXc
By his own admission, Arbok loves being disliked and creating drama on the server.
Quote from: Piglet on August 15, 2021, 22:43
There was one comment in Italian I'm checking with the admins made at about the time you accused another player of not being Jewish.
Yes, that was it:
Quote
21:26 <Arbok (IL) > but your not juwish
21:27 <Arbok (IL) > jewish
21:27 <DIEGO (BE) > i am
...
21:27 <ETERNO_DIEGO (IT) > judei=nazisti
...
If you want to see an example of real racism and hate, here's an extract of the stream of filth that hugs (CA) let loose when admins weren't around.
To be clear, the attached is all from this one (banned) player and I'm attaching it only for the purposes of illustrating the difference between one isolated comment in the context of the other conversation and something from the other end of the spectrum.
Quote from: The_Cowboy on August 16, 2021, 06:16
My viewpoint
* Assumption(s) *
It seems you have great deal of respect for Jews or are one yourself.
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
judei=nazisti
If you understand the equations, you can appreciate the fact that it is not exactly racist(1) (as it is written). Nazis, as far as I know, were supposed to be elite Aryan race (though heavily misguided) but still at the top, or so they believed. If anything that equation puts Jews (if judei is indeed what I think it is) at the top.
If you bring in the entire context of painful/sad historic events, then yeah I think I can understand the rage it might instigate, but I'd give some room that the speaker is not intending the same thing (I may be wrong on that). Maybe he feels the same amount of good or (and) evil from both the races.
What I am saying here is that you won't be able to prove the racist(1) intent of the speaker based on that equation, ever......
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
you are nothing
It might be a personal attack on you as an individual. If you think it is inflicted on the entire race, then "maybe" it is you who are racist (2).
Quote from: ETERNO_DIEGO
Palestina free
Freedom is a birthright (in my ethical sense). If that bothers you, then "maybe" it gives us a clue about you.
(1) Here I think I am assuming that racist means "my race is better than yours so you are inconsequential" kind of mentality. Taking pride in one's own race is a good thing, but not at the cost of others.
(2) Here I think I mean that you are distributing the personal attacks on you, on entire race. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.
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i have never im my life saw a response that is so full of dumb "assumptions" and bulshit written all over it,is this a prank?no way a normal human being with rational mind is writing this crap,i told u,go check yourself asap.
and chain,can u please go play with your friend mental and dont interfere with something that is not involved with you directly?
i know exectly what's your thoguhts about me,plz stay out this conversation.
P.s
iam a jew with a versatile personality and a clear standpoint and understanding of my history in this world.
comparing a word like "nazi" to Judaism ,is something that gets my boiling points up to a 100 and iam trying my best not to give the bad words in game about it even tho i did in the past.
Quote from: freshmeat on August 16, 2021, 08:37
Quote from: Arbok on August 15, 2021, 22:01
Quote from: zeus on August 15, 2021, 21:10
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAYING "free palestine"? I DO NOT READ ANY RACISM / HATRED OUT OF IT
i think that your brain should have already conceived in he's little tiny illusion (that u might be in) the words that followed after that.
your words sums up everything that i pointed out.
the ignorance.
wanna keep a clean game that is uninvolved with politics what so ever? even free "narnia" should be banned to say.
https://ibb.co/BVnDFXc
By his own admission, Arbok loves being disliked and creating drama on the server.
Mr🤡 by my "admission",i love gettings dissed in a matter of skills ingame(accusing me of hax)i dont mind it at all.
but when it comes to my ethnicity,there is a limit, Mr🤡 .
p.s
stop acting like a baby on server and idle yourself when you have a shitty team.
i know your life golas are playing on warfare with bunch of unskilled players such as yourself.
🤡 u need this emoji next to your nick in game.
....and breathe.....
Quote from: Piglet on August 16, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Piglet on August 15, 2021, 22:43
There was one comment in Italian I'm checking with the admins made at about the time you accused another player of not being Jewish.
Yes, that was it:
Quote
21:26 <Arbok (IL) > but your not juwish
21:27 <Arbok (IL) > jewish
21:27 <DIEGO (BE) > i am
...
21:27 <ETERNO_DIEGO (IT) > judei=nazisti
...
If you want to see an example of real racism and hate, here's an extract of the stream of filth that hugs (CA) let loose when admins weren't around.
To be clear, the attached is all from this one (banned) player and I'm attaching it only for the purposes of illustrating the difference between one isolated comment in the context of the other conversation and something from the other end of the spectrum.
this is so wrong,i am not supporting anything he said.
the most important thing is to see who's starting the hate first,and kick he's ass out of here before it reaches high levels.
each individual acts differently in this situation,some using curses(i cannot blame them for it as i experienced it myself) some dont.
a swift ban will fix this issue from going further and down hill.
Quote from: Piglet on August 16, 2021, 10:45
....and breathe.....
iam breathing just fine currently.
the kick/ban should go to the one who's started the conflict ,not the one that is defending himself.
politics should be out of this game.
Did you compare the single comment with the attachment on the post before yours?
Quote from: Arbok on August 16, 2021, 10:33
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i have never im my life saw a response that is so full of dumb "assumptions" and bulshit written all over it,is this a prank?no way a normal human being with rational mind is writing this crap,i told u,go check yourself asap.
I think you are entitled to your opinion and
this is exactly what I mean by freedom (that you are able to express this sentiment).
Quote from: Arbok on August 16, 2021, 10:33
and chain,can u please go play with your friend mental and dont interfere with something that is not involved with you directly?
This is what I mean by racist (clause 2). Just because mental is Indian doesn't mean he is my friend. He is just a person to me as you are.
This is something which is directly involved with me. I am the member of this community and it brings tears to my eyes when I see such subject threads in the forums.
Quote from: Arbok on August 16, 2021, 10:33
comparing a word like "nazi" to Judaism ,is something that gets my boiling points up to a 100 and iam trying my best not to give the bad words in game about it even tho i did in the past.
That is courageous of you. But the fact remains. In my opinion there is no one in this world who is not infuriated by something or other. It is about how you deal with that. Either you can maintain the witch hunt, which started all this in the first place, or try to move past this. What do you want to do now is the question. And yes you are free to choose!
Quote from: Arbok on August 16, 2021, 10:59
politics should be out of this game.
if you want to leave politics out of the game then stop reacting to it?? especially in the case of 1 single instance. actually - the fact that you keep screenshots of this occurrence from april ( = 4 months ago) makes me wonder a lot more about you
it is quite obvious which topics get you going and how easy it would be to trash talk you in game, so that you a) will ruin your game yourself b) you yourself will get into a state that leads you to getting banned
Quote from: zeus on August 16, 2021, 13:31
Quote from: Arbok on August 16, 2021, 10:59
politics should be out of this game.
if you want to leave politics out of the game then stop reacting to it?? especially in the case of 1 single instance. actually - the fact that you keep screenshots of this occurrence from april ( = 4 months ago) makes me wonder a lot more about you
it is quite obvious which topics get you going and how easy it would be to trash talk you in game, so that you a) will ruin your game yourself b) you yourself will get into a state that leads you to getting banned
tell u what.
iv'e been playing on warfare for years,the amount of times that iv'e been harassed due to my ethnic group [IL] is unprecedented.
try to imagine what its like join a game, and some unknown nab tries to trigger u every 2 min beacuse u got your [IL] at the end of the nickname.
thats why i am like this,its not my first time and not my last one for sure.
and iam on a whatsapp group that has some normal players from the server and we discuss things[that screenshot taken from there].
why in the first place,when someone insult indirectly/directly [doesn't really matter]your ethnicity,he isn't banned in the first 10 sec?
i complained over and over again,but fewer the times that iv'e been getting the right attention.
so plz excuse me for being unsympathetic.
and again,referred nazi is the end of the line for me,limit is crossed
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21:27 <ETERNO_DIEGO (IT) > judei=nazisti
In general:
* The chat function is for gameplay and a bit of random chat
* Feel free to take those discussions beyond "a bit" off the server. This ain't Skype
* I don't mind a bit of friendly banter
* I do mind racism, sexism, homophobia, and any other kind of similar thing
* Be nice
My take on this incident is that opinions are a bit like assholes. Nearly everyone has one. I don't want to see it. I certainly don't want to see that one. Google "Godwin's law".
Quotethe amount of times that iv'e been harassed due to my ethnic group [IL] is unprecedented.
Israel is not an ethnic group. It's a geographic location flagged by your IP address.
We have no idea and very little interest in what your ethinic group is.
I wouldn't post this because it's been a long time and his behavior has changed so far, but...
(https://i.imgur.com/r6X4mfw.jpg)
It's a shame I don't have prints of Loon calling me a monkey 500 times, after Pig started recording the logs he is an angel, he only needs to pee for 10 seconds sometimes
I think there is an easy way to avoid such dramas in the future. Piglet, can you please remove country tags from the warfare server ? So one who would like to play on the warfare may feel "more random" ... and it may help to prevent (in some way) people from making in-game shitstorms, like this one. Too bad in-game chat can't be disabled, that would solve most of the problems :)
Quote from: Harris on August 16, 2021, 23:04
I think there is an easy way to avoid such dramas in the future. Piglet, can you please remove country tags from the warfare server ? So one who would like to play on the warfare may feel "more random" ... and it may help to prevent (in some way) people from making in-game shitstorms, like this one. Too bad in-game chat can't be disabled, that would solve most of the problems :)
I believe you have a point Harris. I'd rather clients choose if they want their country be visible.
In the end it all boils down to "Are you really proud of the legacy you have inherited? What will you do to improve and improvise that?".
Au revoir!
Quote from: Harris on August 16, 2021, 23:04
Too bad in-game chat can't be disabled, that would solve most of the problems :)
De, ez játékon belül megoldható! Én is blokkoltam néhány játékost, mert nem vagyok kíváncsi az üzeneteire.
Quote from: Harris on August 16, 2021, 23:04
Too bad in-game chat can't be disabled, that would solve most of the problems :)
How do we block an annoying player (his activities, messages) in the game?!
Open the ESC key.sees the player names
mouse -> right click
and you will see these features:(own languge)
Szöveg mellőzése
Beszéd mellőzése
Hangcsevegés mellőzése
Letiltás hangcsevegésről
English language version:disable text
disable of speech
skip voice chat
disable voice chat
I hope it was helpful.
így nem fogod látni a letiltott személy írásit a játékban, beleértve a automatikus gúnyolódásait sem fogja hallani.
Link: http://ceonss.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1233&p=20220#p20220
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+1 from me on that.
Quote from: Harris on August 16, 2021, 23:04
I think there is an easy way to avoid such dramas in the future. Piglet, can you please remove country tags from the warfare server ? So one who would like to play on the warfare may feel "more random" ... and it may help to prevent (in some way) people from making in-game shitstorms, like this one. Too bad in-game chat can't be disabled, that would solve most of the problems :)
I get what you're saying and I sort of agree, also point made later it could be a client choice. I wonder whether 'revealing' country IP lookup could be seen as opening the door for people who want to target other players
but,.. most servers I play on don't show country lookup (no one complains about it missing) but.. it's kinda fun to know all the weird places players come from and it sometimes promotes interesting chats and players get to learn a little about other places
perhaps in my mind it comes down to whether we let a few idiots cause a problem that wouldn't exist if they weren't on the server,. kick+ban sort of removes the issue?
I think I sit firmly in the camp of "people are not assholes because of where you live, people are assholes because they are assholes."
Imo we shouldnt hide our flags were we play from, thats what in real life goes so wrong in some places, just because of moments like this...I find country tags useful to find players for fun matches etc.
Hello All,
I hope honestly that you will forgive me to have started this thread despite the general excellent spirit on miasma servers but it was too hard to see nicknames directly related to hate-racist forms i had to report it.
That said, there are things that are related to in game chat, and as long as people are not bullied or harassed, well it should be ok.
But we are also grown ups for most of us, and as such, it is possible for everyone to step up, either to cool down things, to bring mesure to comments, to stop someone from flaming, etc...
In my opinion, i feel it is important that a friendly place is maintained so that we can all enjoy playing, I really mean all of us.
Thats mostly why i like those servers, the peaceful and friendly spirit is big part of it.
That's why i started this thread, this is why i had to step up against hatred-racist-anti jews nicknames.
Peace, Joe.
As a French, this is a shame that such shit comes out of French soil when in France we are supposed to have Equality, Liberty and Fraternity written in everything around us. Hope we head for a more equal and fair society than encourage people to continue to try and divide.
I have to say I really admire France's citizenship attitude.
Whilst French people come in a range of colours, religions and heritages... you're not White-French, Black-French, Muslim-French, Asian-French, African-French, Jewish-French etc. You're French.
Quote from: [MiA]Latte on August 17, 2021, 21:35
I think I sit firmly in the camp of "people are not assholes because of where you live, people are assholes because they are assholes."
Yup I agree on that 100% An asshat is an asshat regardless of race/gender/religion/nationality. We should have cat admins - animals tend to know whether people are asshats or not 8)
Completely impractical to implement, but I thought it worth a mention.
I always promote friendly banter, but then I only really play on freon servers and I've never seen any nastiness since playing on them. I'll gladly tell people off for being nasty if I see it; they may not listen to me, but they might 8)
Correct Piglet. In France we are all French :)
French citizenship should be restricted to people who have total integration about secularity, equality, liberty, tolerance and respect for women and the LGBT community. I have seen unfortunately some passport holders who wants to profit from our social system while asking their sisters why they were seen with gay men. I once asked one such asshat why he is in France and he shamelessly replied because of the social system. Now this is a rare rare asshat but the fact that he got the French passport is such a shame.
Rare as these elements are, I have still seen a general lack of women's right and brain washing in many areas which are economically not as strong and such pockets are exactly which we need to stop from growing. Anything going against the principles of the French republic should not be tolerated from day 1.
In short, if you do not love French values and French way of life, do not dare take the passport and contaminate the good values of our French society such as equality for all, secularity and freedom to lead your life as you want. These values still exist and as long as hell is alive, he will defend these values for sure hehe.
The reason why we see more people with the French tag is because of our general tolerance which was mistaken as acceptance. Now times have changed and French people are not shying away from attacking such topics with our biggest weapon: Our freedom to Discuss about it without fear and logically eliminating the crap out of people against our values.
A little 2 cent about how we French feel when we hear such nonsense coming out our our land :)
Quote from: hellfire on August 21, 2021, 11:02
Correct Piglet. In France we are all French :)
French citizenship should be restricted to people who have total integration about secularity, equality, liberty, tolerance
It is funny that you mention that because
Quote from: hellfire on August 21, 2021, 11:02
In short, if you do not love French values and French way of life, do not dare take the passport
and I won't even express my opinion :))
Quote from: Piglet on August 19, 2021, 12:24
I have to say I really admire France's citizenship attitude.
Whilst French people come in a range of colours, religions and heritages... you're not White-French, Black-French, Muslim-French, Asian-French, African-French, Jewish-French etc. You're French.
I dont agree Piglet. There is too much racism and intolerance over here.
They dont want people to be united, they try to split the population using everything they can :
Religions, opinions, genders, workers vs welfare, pro vs anti vax etc etc.
Divide and rule is stricly applied over here. I find UK more tolerant tbh
In France we have diverse opinions for sure :D We love to go on strike a lot and yes we have a ton of divided opinion. But we also live and let live no? I cannot comment on racism as honestly I think France is way much equal than other countries where racism is really to the face. All during my uni life, I never saw people being treated differently whatever be their origin. By treated I mean refused a job, refused treatment, refused a drink or entry in a club. In France people of colour for example holds big posts and small posts alike. My ex manager was of Indian origin French and she was the backbone of the company and my team was mixed from all over EU and we all ate , partied together etc ;)
In my work I'm lucky enough to get to interact on a daily basis with highly educated and intelligent people from all around the world.
I can say, without any doubt, that great people to work with come in all genders, shapes, religions and colours.
I'm in awe of a certain Indian lady who dials into conference calls from her kitchen table in heat that would kill me with her children and her sister's children all shouting and playing round her in the middle of lockdown and coherently presenting a complex design for something we've been working on.
I had a brilliant video call the other day about a difficult issue with people from about 7 different countries. Everyone on the call helped with the part they knew and we sorted out out... at the end of it I said I wished we were all in the same office so we could go out for a beverage together.
Maybe the firm I work for picks bright good people, but more I think that intolerance and racism etc is more a symptom of low intelligence!
After writing this I realised I was talking about 'honest' uninformed and unitelligent racism. Of course there are bad people who demonise anyone that they can divide from the 'us' into the 'them' normally for their own benefit. That's not racism. That's just evil.
Quote from: Piglet on August 14, 2021, 10:34
Quote from: Arbok on August 13, 2021, 23:22
hmm the amount of times rounin did the exact same thing and got away with it..infuriating
Since March these are the names he's used:
Rounin_Napoli
ETERNO_DIEGO
La-Parajita-La-Paul
What's the problem?
Rounin napoli... that guy... he insult me always after the ban, but he insult me all the time without admins there
Why is ASUUUS not banned from the forums yet?
We also need to make sure that banned players don't come back to forum via new accounts as well right?
reviving this thread by saying, both servers, are much more enjoyable to play nowadays. the community is way less toxic than before.
EZ